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Research / Alternate SE System Designs / Re: Is a suspended waystation possible?
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on: October 27, 2007, 10:00:09 AM
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140,000 feet is 42.6 kilo-metres. A waystation at this hight would increase the mass of the payload the ribbon can lift and may permit the climber to open its solar panels. Unfortunately the same strength of ribbon material is needed. A self supporting waystation would need to be 500 miles high before the material strength can be halved. There is no know way of self supporting anything at a hight of 500 miles which rotates at the same speed as the Earth.
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Research / The LiftPort / Re: Surface Facilities for Winching
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on: October 20, 2007, 06:32:51 PM
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Winching an object weighing 20 to 40 metric tons at a 100 miles per hour will generate a lot of heat. The winch's drum will need water cooling. This will also reduce the stress on the ribbon.
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Research / The LiftPort / Re: Sky station
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on: October 14, 2007, 02:18:16 PM
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20 metric tons refers to the stress on the cable at the bottom. The cable is actually force limited.
F = m a = 20,000 * 9.81 = 196,200 N
At 1000 km a = 7.28725 (using By the Numbers data)
m = F/a = 196,200 / 7.28725 = 26,923 kg
So if the 20 tonne climber does not go be low 1000 km we can have an extra 6 tonne underneath.
F = F1 + F2 ground mass m2 = (F - F1)/g
m2 = (196,200 - 16,000 * 7.28725 )/9.81 = 8,114 kg Alternatively a 8 tonne atmospheric climber can dock to a 16 tonne space climber at 1,000 km.
At 3000 km a = 4.48554
m = 196,200 / 4.48554 = 43,740 kg
A 10 tonne atmospheric climber can dock with a (196,200 - 10,000 * 9.81 ) / 4.48554 = 21,870 kg 21 tonne climber at 3,000 km
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Research / The LiftPort / Re: Sky station
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on: October 13, 2007, 06:50:20 PM
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There is the point that every ton the of weight removed from the bottom of the ribbon is an extra ton of payload.
An alternative is an interchange point between 1000 km (3/4 gravity) and 3000 km (1/2 gravity). A light climber could be used as a taxi to get people to the full climber. The light climber would not contain beds or a kitchen and only weak radiation shielding.
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General Topics / News & Commentary / Astronaut Recruitment
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on: September 27, 2007, 04:57:00 AM
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NASA is recruiting astronauts, but not pilots. http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=9866&posts=37&start=1SpaceX is also looking for astronauts including pilots. http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5237{snip} Q: When will a manned Dragon capsule first fly, and will you be on it?
Manned without people (high altitude orbit) maybe in 2010. With people, 2011. I won't be on it -- too risky for SpaceX and I want to see my kids grow up. Don't mind risk of death after that.
Will SpaceX use its own astronauts, or sell the manned launch services to NASA?
Demo flights can't use NASA astronauts, so we will use SpaceX employees that volunteer for the job. {snip}
Personally I think NASA is being silly not using its own staff to act as test pilots for the various makes of COTS space capsules. This may keep the unions happy but it will backfire badly.
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Achieving the Space Elevator / Science & Technology / Re: Other uses for CNT
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on: September 17, 2007, 08:16:21 PM
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I don't think the sling has been demostrated except much smaller scale, so it may also be technically very difficult.
The sling can be tested at various stages. Its centre turns slowly so equivalent mass can be added permitting testing of the motor on the Earth. The tip acceleration is designed to be safe for humans. A much smaller one can turn faster on the Moon. A tiny payload is possible. The space elevator is still awaiting the invention of a sufficiently strong material.
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Achieving the Space Elevator / Science & Technology / Re: Other uses for CNT
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on: September 17, 2007, 07:45:22 PM
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As far as I know we have not demonstrated large scale maglev faster than 300 kmph, so escape velocity on the Moon may be very difficult.
On Earth Maglev is limited by air resistance, this major restriction does not apply on the Moon. The speed effects can be tested in a vacuum chamber. The 3g tangential acceleration on the track can be tested at a lower speed. The 2.38 km speed could be tested in a smallish by locking the vehicle and spinning the track.
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Achieving the Space Elevator / Science & Technology / Re: Other uses for CNT
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on: September 15, 2007, 11:20:52 AM
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But isn't a maglev system in space much more technically difficult than a temporary Lunar SE carrying low-mass climbers filled with 50kg (Earth) or so of Lunar rocks? The latter is a bare-bones revision of J.Pearson's design, but no such paper has ever been penned by or forwarded to any space agency.
Not really. A lunar space elevator is something like 100,000 km straight down. The Maglev track is 1209 km along the flat. The reason we are using magnetic levitation is that wheels do not turn that fast. The track could be made out of aluminium going around a crater whose diameter is 385 km +/- 10 km. Aluminium is one of the main ingredients of lunar soil so it can be made on the Moon. Lunar mountains go up to about 2 km tall. So a 192.5 km sling would have a height to length ratio of 1:96 That is enormous, bridges have ratios of 1:10. The length may be possible if the sling is turning whilst its tip is winched out. Rotation time of sling is 2 pi * r / v = 2 * pi * 192.47 km / 2.38 km/s = 1 revolution per 508 seconds (1 rev 8.47 minutes) or 0.118 revs/minute
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Research / Alternate SE System Designs / Re: bungee jump drop elevator
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on: September 01, 2007, 07:20:15 PM
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You are trying to solve the wrong weight problem with the cable. The cable can be kept up by having a very heavy counter weight above 36,000 km. The problem is that the cable will break under its own weight unless tapered. To survive the pull up force you are proposing an even thicker cable is needed.
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