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tjnugent
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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2004, 12:24:22 PM »

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Why not just offer them a rund trip ride in the elevator.  ....
I don't see a need to have a detachable drop ship.  Perhaps in the future such a thing could done but for now just being able to ride the elevator would likely draw alot of people.  ...
If your going to be ferriering people back and forth anyway why not rent out a few of the spots to paying customers.
I would guess it's a trade-off between a trip that would take a couple of hours (i.e., up to 100km or whatever) versus a week-long trip.  While being able to see the curvature of Earth from the perspective of LEO would be cool, fewer people would be interested in hanging out in tight quarters for a week.

Also, the drop ship would enable you to experience zero gravity for a couple of minutes, whereas you wouldn't notice any real gravity change if you're riding the elevator up and down to 100km.
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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2004, 01:28:57 PM »

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Why not just offer them a rund trip ride in the elevator.  As mentioned you will be transporting alot of people back and forth.

No, I don't think we'll be transporting a great many people for quite a few years. One of the more depressing things that I got out of the SE Conference last month was the problem we'll have getting humans through the radiation belts on the SE.  It's slow, so they're in the belts for a long time, and they'll pick up too much radiation. I don't think this was ever said explicitly or even implied, but it sounds to me like an unprotected person going up an SE will die before getting to GEO. Even if it's not really that bad, it's bad.

It seems likely we'll need something like 30 cm/1 ft of water or the equivalent of aluminum to protect passengers during the transit of the radiation belts. I visualize something like a spherical shell with the minimum internal volume that the passengers can stand for that amount of time. Maybe they'll be in wetsuits, breathing through tubes. Other tubes for other things. Not much of a tourist attraction.
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2004, 03:12:17 PM »

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No, I don't think we'll be transporting a great many people for quite a few years. One of the more depressing things that I got out of the SE Conference last month was the problem we'll have getting humans through the radiation belts on the SE.  It's slow, so they're in the belts for a long time, and they'll pick up too much radiation. I don't think this was ever said explicitly or even implied, but it sounds to me like an unprotected person going up an SE will die before getting to GEO. Even if it's not really that bad, it's bad.

But I think tourism that stays below the radiation belts will be very attractive.  Tourists at first will not need to go very high and in the event of catastrophic failure, the lower the safer for re-entry.  I'll pay to go, I'll take that any day over Disney World!!

In fact I think low altitude tourism could be the easiest service to provide.  Instead of using climbers, just wind the ribbon out a couple of hundred km then wind it back in.  This keeps all moving parts at the anchor with no mass issues to worry about, easy to maintain etc.
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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2004, 03:09:12 AM »

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One of the more depressing things that I got out of the SE Conference last month was the problem we'll have getting humans through the radiation belts on the SE.  It's slow, so they're in the belts for a long time, and they'll pick up too much radiation.


Yes -- and I believe it should be proactively acknowledged and "defused" before we see too much more press about people riding SEs, followed by a backlash: "you didn't tell us about the radiation!"

Greg: remember that your up-and-back is not much closer to orbit than Spaceship One. Until someone comes up with a good scheme to gain a quick 25,000 kph when "jumping off" at LEO, all SE talk should focus on cargo. It does no good to know that passengers could inexpensively drop-and-circularize from GEO if they can't get there.

In the long run, we need a heavy-duty SE that can either haul a lot of shielding or handle the stress of very fast climbers (back to the Smitherman maglev?) It wouldn't have to be that long after the first SE if the subsequent scale-up is as easy as we hope.

-Monte
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2004, 03:19:06 PM »

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Greg: remember that your up-and-back is not much closer to orbit than Spaceship One.

Hi Monte, I didn't mention getting tourists to orbit!  I mentioned a simple, easy, cheap way to get some of the cost of building the first SE paid for.  The more sources of revenue, the more value in investing in the first SE.  Tourists do not need to orbit, but we do need their money as well as the imagination of the masses.

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Until someone comes up with a good scheme to gain a quick 25,000 kph when "jumping off" at LEO, all SE talk should focus on cargo.

Why can't we talk about putting humans in space?  It is humans in space that drive the popular imagination.  In fact I want to go myself and you don't want me to talk about it?

Cargo, science, exploration, tourism, adventure, energy; all these should not be seen as competing, but complimentary.  Each area will help to pay for the initial investment.  Investors need to know that they will see a return.

You are free to concentrate on heavy duty cargo SEs, because we need them, but allow others to also concentrate on human and tourist related SEs because we also need them.

Regards Greg
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