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« on: August 10, 2004, 08:36:27 AM »

I was thinking, maybe we could get Arthur C. Clarke to re-release "The Fountains of Paradies" - the seminal work of sci-fi about the space elevator - and donate all profits to the LiftPort Group?  The re-release could include info about the real deal and maybe some forewards and such by the author, Dr. Edwards, etc.  This wouldn't exactly make Liftport rich and ready to build, but it couldn't hurt.  Especially, if many SE advocates bought a copy to help support the mission.  Any thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2004, 08:24:46 AM »

not sure, at the moment, how to make that work, but i will think about it.

i would think that his publisher would have to sign off on that, and i dont see how that will happen.  but i do know some of the folks over at the SF museum in seattle, maybe they can help me with that.  KS robinson and AC clarke are both on the board of advisors...  

good thinking, i'll be meeting with thier executive director in about a week.  i'll talk to her then, about this.

take care.  mjl
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2004, 12:43:46 PM »

I totally agree that there would be definite issues with the publisher.  It was just a thought.  But I think if any publisher would do this, it would be Clarke's.  He's been a pretty lucrative client for them, I imagine,a nd I'm sure he has favors he could call in.  This is all dependent, of course, on his own generousity - nothing could happen without his say so.

Here's another pipe-dream:  It may not make a bunch of money, but it would at least get the idea more press.  Make an IMAX format film about the elevator.  Animate it or just use special effects for the actual elevator, but go from concept to construction, to an accelerated "virtual" ride up the elevator.  Let people see that this could really happen!  Just a thought...
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2004, 01:07:29 PM »

actually, we ahve several documentaries that are being examined.  several people/companies ahve said they wanted to do it, but when it came down to actually - doing it - most have fallen through.  

there is one company in japan that is working on a short film for the science museum circuit...  

and there has been a lot of interest from people saying they can get it to the discovery channel, but so far nothing has worked out.

we are planning our own set of dvd/documentaries, and collecting data for that now.

take care.  mjl
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2004, 07:25:07 AM »

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not sure, at the moment, how to make that work, but i will think about it.

i would think that his publisher would have to sign off on that, and i dont see how that will happen.  but i do know some of the folks over at the SF museum in seattle, maybe they can help me with that.  KS robinson and AC clarke are both on the board of advisors...


I think that going to the author's agent would be the place to start, vice the publisher.

The information below is current as of 2002.


Sir Arthur's agent
David Higham Associates, 5-8 Lower John Street, Golden Square, London, WIR 4HA,(T: (0)171 437 7778; Fx -1072).

http://www.davidhigham.co.uk/html/Clients/Arthur_C_Clarke


Rights: All US rights are handled by
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UK by
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2004, 07:12:23 AM »

Being a media person I agree that books, documentaries, films, etc are a reasonable and honourable way to raise SE funding. That said, not being particularly strongly attached to any reality or reason, I am about to ask what might be an off-the-wall question.

N.B. I am not advocating any particular course of action here. I'm just wondering aloud as it were. My apologies if this idea has been covered elsewhere and I missed it while acquainting myself with the various discussions here.

Media could be used to raise funds. While all funds are helpful in an economic sense not all funds are helpful in a political sense. Even a spectacularly financially successful film/book would have some downsides. Generally speaking, anything good enough to be financially successful would initially cost more to produce. Also, and possibly more importantly, it would have a greater potential political effect (which could be leveraged into more funding). That potential can work for or against the SE and would likely do both (i.e. turning some people off and some people on) forcing an evaluation of a net political effect prior to launching any fundraising effort.

Having thus prepared the intellectual ground, let me plant this thought seed in it and see if it is a weed or bears flowers and fruit.

Auction seats on the SE on Ebay to raise funds.

The SE operator is really only on the hook to take somebody to the "top" and back down. If they  are not going into space per se there is minimal risk and the insurance premium could be factored into the seat cost or simply tacked on as in; passenger responsible for insurance. (I'm sure a lawyer could say it better and that's what they're for)

There could be a different classes of seats offered down the road; return trip plus spacewalk and/or return trip, spacewalks and one week in the first space hotel and/or all of the above plus space golf, solar windsurfing, space spa, zero G massage etc.

The financial risk is minimal as the listing fees are low (see below). It has the added effect of being high profile. Financially successful or not it would attract major buzz.

The obvious political downside is that it might be viewed as hucksterism and cheapen the overall political effort. An effect that can mitigated by the expert ministrations of T. Nugent et al. (My apologies for taking your name in vain Tom)

There is a company here in Toronto called Truition that manages auctions to maximum benefit on a pay-for-performance model. Having just filed an excutive profile on the president and CEO Butch Langlois for the upcoming issue of Silicon Valley North magazine (http://www.svn.ca) I daresay Truition would welcome the opportunity to get involved with the SE. They already work with Dell, Major League Baseball and the NHL among others.

I have an idea the accountants will say that revenues gained from this would be unearned and thus couldn't be spent but it's a pretty poor accountant/CFO that couldn't leverage a large cash holding like that into something tangible. If there are any financial people here  it would be interesting to hear an informed opinion.

Anyway that's my thought for the day.

PB

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2004, 11:51:20 AM »

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Auction seats on the SE on Ebay to raise funds.

I'm not sure what the timeline for offering "seats" on the SE is, but I do know that offering discounted rates to early adopters is part of the business plan.  Basically, the earlier you reserve cargo space on the SE, the better break you'll get from the first day of operations price.

So yes, we agree in principle that it's a great idea.  Smiley  I'm not sure about auctioning them on eBay, though...

I forget the name of the company, but sometime in the 90s there was a company trying to run a lottery for space enthusiasts where the grand prize was a week-long trip to Mir.  They had a number of legal problems, if memory serves.  As Patrick mentions, we'd of course have to be careful about the "kook" appearance potential.
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The obvious political downside is that it might be viewed as hucksterism and cheapen the overall political effort. An effect that can mitigated by the expert ministrations of T. Nugent et al. (My apologies for taking your name in vain Tom)
 Cheesy I appreciate the vote of confidence.  I better get to practicing my ministration skills.... Wink
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2004, 04:15:41 PM »

hi,

patrick, weve looked at 'advanced sales' of item...  but not on ebay.  i think it would get a lot of 'buzz' but i dont think it would be positive - yet.  i can see something like that happening as a stunt, to drive traffic to our website, but i dont see that as a huge - legitimate - way of raising cash.  its a stunt you can pull off once, but i think it owuld be best if we held off on that.

on the otherhand, in our offering documents, page 21, we mention an idea we are working on, that would start to sell 'lift tickets' in advance.  they would have a small initial deposit that was non-refundable, and then a payment plan.

i did the math, i weight 190lb, (6ft4in) so that would be $76000 at $400/lb.  that makes it a 3800 deposit, and then a little over 460/m for the remaining 14 years....  but we have not put this plan into place yet.  we are still working out the details.

take care.  mjl
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2004, 10:20:18 PM »

I figured the Ebay idea had more PR value than cash value when I mentioned it. The real point is to attract the attention of people that have serious investment funds.

In a less hucksterish vein, if SE's are about (eventually) giving "normal" people (i.e. non-astronauts) access to space isn't it philosophically consistent to give them an opportunity to invest in the SE itself as well?

 Is it not possible to float some sort of bond or fund that works like an insurance policy?

A small monthly premium over a long period gets invested by professionals with Liftport and the investor sharing the profit. The investor still gets a return on their money and helps build the SE. After a certain term the investor gets their principal back with (hopefully) some interest.

If the fund could be structured in a way that gets the investor a tax break along the way so much the better. Maybe set them up to be eligible for retirement plans. What do you call them down there? RK40 or some such?

There's people whose business it is to create and manage these things. They would know better than me if the SE could be financed that way.

Maybe we need to start the 1st Space Bank? Credit Union? Most people know what that is but if not, a credit union is a bank that is owned by the depositors. Before opening an account you have to buy a share in the credit union. Only shareholders can deposit or borrow. Credit Unions can offer mortgages and registered retirement plans etc. The 1st Space Credit Union would have only one instrument (besides normal accounts) the aforementioned SE Construction (Mutual?) Fund.

I'm talking about a relatively low-risk deal for all concerned. Deposits would be insured - they have to be by law up here. It's the rare mutual fund that loses money over the long term.

If you offer people some sort of return and a piece of the dream that might be enough. Maybe throw in a discount rate on seats or cargo for fundholders.

I'm no financial guru but if I throw enough spitballs one of them is bound to stick.
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2004, 04:32:54 PM »

The word play may be poor, I admit, but in fact there would be no need to worry about harming healthy people for one-way transportation of remains (human, pet) (maybe an exclusive license? franchising?).

Future naming rights (elevators, anchor platform, hotel rooms; accension slot identity; daily ribbon identity)?

Future timeshare vacations/accommodations?

"Official" suppliers (e.g., beverage, finance institutions, tour outfits, Survivor series--though how you remove rejected participants is problematic)? The advantage, as we know from Olympic events, is that funds would be received years in advance and there would be a promotional program for the SE underwritten by the supplier.

Film rights (Sony may be looking for the next 007 plot).

Future SE-based advertising (e.g., holographic advertising projected to ground from sky; in-cabin for passengers during ascent/descent [a la Japanese subway wall projections, or at least Walt Disney World])? Please, no Musak!
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2004, 09:39:38 AM »

Perhaps a line of toys is in order. Over at the thread where I normally post www.starshipmodeler.net ,there is a young man who works for ESTES rockets who is doing an X-Prize line. A space elevator platform toy (Beanstalk one?) just may capture the imagination. Beats NASCAR crap.

BTW Just when did Discovery Channel go to the motorheads, anyway?
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