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« on: July 04, 2007, 08:49:30 PM »

Diamagnetism is where a non-magnetic material reacts to magnetic fields as if it was a magnet.  If carbon nanotubes (CNT) are strongly diamagnetic then a lifter can climb the space elevator ribbon without using wheels.  Since CNT's sister material pyrolytic carbon is so a strong diamagnetic material that it can hover over real earth magnets, CNT may also have this useful property.  See picture in this Wikipedia article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism

How diamagnetic is CNT?  Strong?  Weak?

If wheels can be replaced by linear motors then we do not have to worry about the inefficiency of friction, or the rollers and ribbon overheating.  Nor do we have to add magnets or metal particles to the ribbon, significantly saving weight.

Since CNT is not a metal two linear motors may be needed for motion, the ribbon is sandwiched in between the linear motors.  Replacing one of the motors with permanent magnets could save energy.  Low acceleration motors producing 1.2 g would be suitable for the space elevator and ribbon based climbers in mines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_motor
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2007, 04:37:47 AM »

Actually, since daimagnetism forms a magnetic field counter to the source field, if the upper half of the field is shielded or redirected away from the ribbon, then the bottom half of the field would cause a repulsion effect in the ribbon below the magnet.  So a strong enough magnetic field could create a linear motor from the ribbon, as a steady state field.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2007, 06:11:32 AM »

That's right.  Turn the power on and up she goes.

Since a climber is going up vertically gravity cannot to be used to keep the ribbon and magnet together so electromagnets are needed on both sides of the ribbon.  Sensors and power controller will also be needed to keep the ribbon in the centre of the electromagnets.

Information on linear motors
http://www.force.co.uk/page2.html
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2007, 01:10:04 PM »


Those linear motors that do not use magnets on both sides (impossible for the SE) use a conductive reaction plate (aluminum, I think), and the propulsion force is generated by induced eddy currents. Diamagnetics, at best, would be a million times weaker than that. In fact, I doubt you can use it for any propulsive effect at all.

While you could reasonably assume that a CNT ribbon might be conducting, I doubt that a linear motor on a thick aluminum reaction plate would be able to lift itself against gravity, much less one using a thin sheet of CNT. The anisotropic nature of conduction in oriented CNT probably excludes eddy currents, anyway.

Maglev SE? One never knows, but barring a major miracle, I don't think so.

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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2007, 05:51:53 PM »

If it works a Maglev SE would be very nice.  Variations on the technology could form part of other space transportation systems.  Hopefully this will result in more sales of “lifters” and ribbons.

By rotating a ribbon and (small) lifters through 90° and a Transport Ribbon Car system can be manufactured.  Reference the “Magnetic Propulsion” thread in the “The Lifter” forum.

Make the car engine accelerate at 1 g and a Lunar Space Runway with reusable train is possible.
See “600 km Lunar Space Elevator” in “Alternative SE System Designs” forum.

Moon and Mars space elevators.

Lifts between the living quarters and the central hub of space stations that support artificial gravity will be useful; 1 km straight up is too far to climb.


An experiment to test the diamagnetic properties of CNT needs performing.  Hopefully pure CNT is not needed so existing CNT fibre can be used.  There are small devices able to demonstrate the hovering ability of materials.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2007, 06:56:34 AM »

An experiment to test the diamagnetic properties of CNT needs performing.  Hopefully pure CNT is not needed so existing CNT fibre can be used.  There are small devices able to demonstrate the hovering ability of materials.
This website describes a cheap test able to decide this matter.  Just place some CNT above a very strong magmet.
http://groups.mrl.uiuc.edu/chiang/Chiang/Magnetic%20Levitation.htm
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