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Toby
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« on: January 28, 2008, 12:14:17 PM »

Hi,

Has anyone been following the developments of Virgin to develop a cheap, re-usable space rocket that will lower the cost (and risk) of getting into space?

See the following link -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/science/nature/7205445.stm

Given that the major impediment to the LiftPort is that it is financially unviable when being lifted with a NASA shuttle has anyone considered re-running the cost calculations using the estimates from Virgin?  I would be interested in this as a small research topic if anyone is interested.

We may find that the pre-cursor technology required is closer at hand than we may realise.

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2008, 07:24:51 PM »

Apparently Virgin plans to fly Space ship two in 2010 to 110 kilometers altitude, sub orbital, with a payload of about 1.3 tons. The 20 ton starter ribbon needs to be lofted to about 36,000 kilometers, which may be possible with space ship 3 or some other private corporation. With bad luck on ribbon strength, the starter ribbon may weigh as much as 100 tons.  Neil
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 08:17:37 AM »

Given that the major impediment to the LiftPort is that it is financially unviable when being lifted with a NASA shuttle has anyone considered re-running the cost calculations using the estimates from Virgin?  I would be interested in this as a small research topic if anyone is interested.
Ironically, any breakthrough in cheap access to space (CATS) hurts the SE more than it helps, as its economics are based on it being the ONLY means of CATS. If any other form of CATS becomes available, it will be easier to build the SE, but it will also no longer be worth the trouble.

The large size and long travel times disadvantage the SE so much that it is viable only as a means to achieve CATS. The opposite, CATS to achieve the SE, does not make any sense.

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2008, 02:07:27 PM »

Hi Andreas: Does that mean you are doubtful that the oscillating ribbon can get the climber to 91,000 kilometers in one day? From 91,000 kilometers we can crash into any object in the inner solar system without any fuel or propulsion in the payload. We will need some payload delta v to make an orbit insertion or a soft landing at the destination. The space elevator may still be a good idea, even if we have cheap access to LEO and GEO. If we build a 200,000 kilometer space elevator I think we can pass Saturn's orbit in about one year/ 52,000 miles per hour with respect to Earth's surface when the payload leaves the ribbon?   Neil
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2008, 06:59:08 PM »

Virgin like space shuttles would work well with the bolo type of space elevator as they could "dock" with the rotating cable and then be transferred to orbit.
Docking is not going to be simple but the technology does exist and there are no impossible material problems to overcome.

Maybe use of the Bigelow space hotels really will become possible for the masses.
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